Monday Nite Conversations - Teachers Connecting to Build Collaborative Cultures

[Bernajean Porter]

Here is our chat text - connecting as educators is first step in flat classrooms - how does it serve kids - lots of great comments - hot topic of "lurking" which will be continued NEXT week.

Tonight's avatars were given "play"work for next week - to create a jpeg image diagraming YOUR personal learning network (PLN). these images will be used to create a "gallerywalk" on Atlantis Rising Campus next week - so email your PLN diagram to [e-mail].

Here is a URL with sample diagrams to inspire you!!!
http://edtechpost.wikispaces.com/PLE+Diagrams#tosh

See you next week -- be ready for a heated dialogue about "lurkification"

[17:25] Grammy Somerset: I guess, what do you want to know?
[17:25] BigDawg Kidd is Offline
[17:25] Grammy Somerset: I'm embarrased to say that I don't know how to make a notecard
[17:26] Gwenette Writer is Online
[17:27] Risa Sharpshire is Online
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[17:28] Gwenette Writer is Online
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[17:30] Aquiel Aero is Online
[17:31] Starin Abonwood: Thanks, I'm good
[17:31] ozgirl Zeplin is Online
[17:32] Starin Abonwood: np
[17:32] Sholi Oh is Online
[17:32] Grammy Somerset accepted your inventory offer.
[17:33] Bill Friis is Offline
[17:33] Grammy Somerset gave you Plurk.
[17:33] Sholi Oh: Hi
[17:33] ozgirl Zeplin: hi
[17:34] Anny Khandr is Online
[17:35] ozgirl Zeplin: Does that include the network sites or groups of folks you belong to?
[17:35] ozgirl Zeplin: I hope so
[17:35] Starin Abonwood: I hope so
[17:35] Grammy Somerset: How can you resist that?
[17:36] ozgirl Zeplin: Loo Building 101
[17:36] Jackie Rexen is Online
[17:36] Grammy Somerset: this is virtual, you should be able to be in 2 places LOL
[17:37] Bernajena Pinazzo: welcome Jackie
[17:37] Bernajena Pinazzo: Anny - great to see you!
[17:37] Anny Khandr: yup
[17:37] ozgirl Zeplin: yes
[17:37] Grammy Somerset: loud and clear
[17:37] Starin Abonwood: yup
[17:39] Susej Galicia is Online
[17:40] Marty Snowpaw is Online
[17:40] Jackie Rexen: Love them all
[17:40] Bernajena Pinazzo: orkut
[17:41] Anny Khandr: It's hugely popular in Brazil!
[17:41] Anny Khandr: It's a SNS owned by Google.
[17:41] Anny Khandr: Mostly Portuguese-language
[17:41] Jackie Rexen: http://www.orkut.com/Signup
[17:41] Anny Khandr: Sure!
[17:41] ozgirl Zeplin: Can you access it via your google account?
[17:41] Jackie Rexen: It knew my name!
[17:42] Sholi Oh: are the slides gone or is it me?
[17:42] ozgirl Zeplin: they are there
[17:42] Anny Khandr: Look fine to me
[17:42] Starin Abonwood: i see them
[17:42] Bernajena Pinazzo: 22 years
[17:42] Sholi Oh: I'm ok.
[17:43] Jackie Rexen: avatars click
[17:43] Serena Offcourse is Offline
[17:43] Susej Galicia: sorry i did :)
[17:43] Anny Khandr: It's like SERIOUS informal learning
[17:43] Anny Khandr: Or authentic informal learning
[17:44] Jackie Rexen: My graduate students are struggling as I just provide some general guidelines not the details, tools, or content. Some are having such a hard time not being told what, when, and how
[17:44] Anny Khandr: I think Ken Robinson calls a PLN a "tribe."
[17:44] ozgirl Zeplin: They are not used to working it out because we don't let them
[17:44] Jackie Rexen: I think that is Seth Godin
[17:45] Anny Khandr: All the parts need each other!
[17:46] Anny Khandr: Right - guild!
[17:46] Jackie Rexen: Am starting to really dislike walled gardens
[17:46] Bernajena Pinazzo: professionl teachers vs private
[17:47] Anny Khandr: I remember in Web 1.0 they created "walled gardens" like mini-AOLs for kids, and they just didn't work.
[17:47] Bernajena Pinazzo: eMIBTS.org
[17:47] Bernajena Pinazzo: regulated vs collaboration
[17:47] Sail Wozniak is Online
[17:49] Anny Khandr: And memorization
[17:51] Jackie Rexen: No - it is interesting
[17:52] Jackie Rexen: You need to send THEM your visual
[17:52] Jackie Rexen: authors
[17:52] Anny Khandr: I knew it - your visual's just beautiful!
[17:52] Jackie Rexen: They need to see it
[17:53] Anny Khandr: The Digital Youth Project researchers called it "geeking out"
[17:53] Anny Khandr: Great, isn't it?
[17:54] Jackie Rexen: Kids are doing a great job with creating their own informal PLNs through myspace - facebooks, other online forums/groups
[17:54] Anny Khandr: Geeking out/informal learning happens in INTEREST-driven social networking, researchers say.
[17:55] Anny Khandr: No, want to hear about it!
[17:55] Jackie Rexen: what is open space tech?
[17:55] Risa Sharpshire: no
[17:55] Sholi Oh: nope
[17:55] bigd Flanagan is Online
[17:56] Anny Khandr: Aw, it happens out in outer space! ;-)
[17:57] Spiff Whitfield is Online
[17:57] Gwenette Writer is Offline
[17:57] Newton Apogee is Online
[17:57] Jackie Rexen: need a twitter tag for it
[17:58] Jackie Rexen: yes
[17:58] Jackie Rexen: k
[17:58] Knowclue Kidd is Online
[17:58] Bernajena Pinazzo: How big is yur digital footprint?
[17:59] Jackie Rexen: maybe 25
[17:59] Anny Khandr: Size 8
[17:59] Susej Galicia: 6
[17:59] Jackie Rexen: all of the nings
[17:59] Risa Sharpshire: 6
[17:59] Starin Abonwood: 5 actual participation
[17:59] Jackie Rexen: lol
[17:59] ozgirl Zeplin: 5
[17:59] Anny Khandr: It is soooo individual!
[17:59] Grammy Somerset: about 5
[18:00] Bernajena Pinazzo: lurk-ification
[18:00] Jackie Rexen: think about all of the different SL groups - 25 alone
[18:01] Aquiel Aero is Offline
[18:01] Kimala Kohime is Online
[18:01] Grammy Somerset: I'm usually lurking :(
[18:01] Starin Abonwood: SL I counted once different groups participate at different times
[18:01] Anny Khandr: I think SOME lurking is part of the experimenting and messing around social apps need
[18:01] ozgirl Zeplin: I think I lurk until I decide if I want to belong
[18:01] Starin Abonwood: Lurk is a biggie
[18:01] Anny Khandr: Exactly, ozgirl - some messing around is needed.
[18:02] Grammy Somerset: I'm most comfortable lurking
[18:02] Risa Sharpshire: agree ozgirl
[18:02] Anny Khandr: All messing around isn't lurking, but that's part of it - learning the rules of the road, etc.
[18:02] Jackie Rexen: Maybe they are online introverts
[18:02] Starin Abonwood: lol
[18:02] ozgirl Zeplin: how long do we let students lurk?
[18:02] Anny Khandr: Or maybe just introverts (online and offline)
[18:02] Anny Khandr: All the above
[18:02] Grammy Somerset: all of those things
[18:02] Jackie Rexen: Yes - I never judge participation by the amount of verbaliztion
[18:02] Anny Khandr: Depends on the person, maybe
[18:03] Risa Sharpshire: a little of it all
[18:03] Susej Galicia: some of us like to take it all in 1st
[18:03] Bernajena Pinazzo: INTJ
[18:03] Laelia Laval is Offline
[18:03] Lor Fredriksson is Offline
[18:03] Anny Khandr: I have a friend the same age and a sister who are both just thinking about blogging right now - very timid
[18:03] Telos String is Offline
[18:03] Susej Galicia: then we don't stop talking :)
[18:03] Jackie Rexen: Intuirtive Thingking Judegement
[18:04] Gwenette Writer is Online
[18:04] Sholi Oh: I think it has to do with comfort, but obviously if no one participates their is no group.
[18:04] Anny Khandr: What are PLE, PKN, and PLL?
[18:04] Jackie Rexen: I often give my students a choce to work alone or with a small group
[18:04] Anny Khandr: Kind teacher, Jackie
[18:04] Jackie Rexen: ; )
[18:05] ozgirl Zeplin: Would we better at it if we were brought up in a collaborative environment?
[18:06] Jackie Rexen: love the metaphor
[18:06] Bernajena Pinazzo: ennegrams
[18:06] Jackie Rexen: long time ago
[18:06] Risa Sharpshire: huh???
[18:07] kayla Khan is Online
[18:08] Oronoque Westland is Online
[18:08] Sholi Oh: I can't imagine!
[18:08] Susej Galicia: grow every day
[18:09] ozgirl Zeplin: I learn a new one nearly every day
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[18:10] Jackie Rexen: These are cool, http://edtechpost.wikispaces.com/PLE+Diagrams#tosh
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[18:11] Bernajena Pinazzo: share any reactions or thoughts as you listen to Will Richardson
[18:11] Bernajena Pinazzo: finding YOUR interests
[18:11] Anny Khandr: safe is key - explains some lurkification, don't you think?
[18:11] Anny Khandr: EXACTLY!
[18:12] Anny Khandr: Huge missed opp for schools!
[18:12] ozgirl Zeplin: we try to set up safe environments but there are a lot of elementary kids with facebook accounts
[18:12] Anny Khandr: But what they do is BLOCK the very media that those PLNs are on
[18:12] Bernajena Pinazzo: no - I think we have a lurking culture in our traditional classrooms - sitting while others give out thinking/responses - used to scare "air space" and sitting back
[18:12] Bernajena Pinazzo: scarce not scare
[18:12] Anny Khandr: Wow, I think you're totally right Bernajena!!!!!
[18:12] Sholi Oh: but what are they learning?
[18:12] ozgirl Zeplin: absolutely
[18:12] Anny Khandr: Lurking culture....
[18:13] ozgirl Zeplin: in the past we have had individual accountability not collaboration
[18:13] Bernajena Pinazzo: finding our mentors - teacers
[18:13] Bernajena Pinazzo: yes ozgirl
[18:13] Starin Abonwood: physical space doesn't matter anymore, ideas and interests are the driving force in a PLN
[18:13] Jackie Rexen: This generation is going to change the perceptions of what is copyright -
[18:13] Anny Khandr: Are some teachers scared of being mentors? Or guides by the side?
[18:13] Anny Khandr: Lurking culture is really interesting to me - part of the resistance maybe
[18:13] Susej Galicia: Validity is always a concern
[18:14] Sholi Oh: What's going to motivate the teachers that aren't participate to get in to this type of stuff?
[18:14] Anny Khandr: they used to be called "brown-nosers"
[18:14] Starin Abonwood: It seems to be difficult for some teachers to let go of the control of the learning of their students
[18:14] Risa Sharpshire: key is jumping in at some point to share
[18:14] Grammy Somerset: Teachers will be more likely to try these things when it is easier to get to. Most ways to collaborate is blocked in my district
[18:14] Anny Khandr: That makes sense to me - visual learners speaking first
[18:14] ozgirl Zeplin: An open classroom opens up discussion and kids don't mind making mistakes and discourse
[18:15] Anny Khandr: How do you get there, ozgirl?
[18:15] ozgirl Zeplin: teachers are afraid of discourse and don't understand that kids make mistakes in safe environments
[18:15] Anny Khandr: to where kids aren't scared to make mistakes?
[18:15] Starin Abonwood: Teachers need to be facilitators not dictators
[18:15] Grammy Somerset: mistakes lead to learning
[18:15] ozgirl Zeplin: they shouldn't be afraid of mistakes
[18:15] Jackie Rexen: Focus on he PROCESS of learning rather than the products
[18:16] Anny Khandr: It was in email - replying all
[18:16] Jackie Rexen: I was a furry when I first entered SL
[18:16] Anny Khandr: Long time ago!
[18:16] ozgirl Zeplin: I have made so many little ones along the way while I learn
[18:16] Anny Khandr: Lots of mistake-making in SL
[18:16] Susej Galicia: sharing my personal site instead of proffessional site :(
[18:16] Knowclue Kidd: It was responding "shit shit shit" to a direct message that actually went out on the entire network
[18:17] Anny Khandr: Did the private in public in Twitter too
[18:17] Jackie Rexen: I learned to use my "real" self for all of my online personas
[18:17] ozgirl Zeplin: too funny
[18:17] Susej Galicia is Offline
[18:17] Grammy Somerset: adding too many people I don't know to my FAcebook
[18:17] ozgirl Zeplin: messy learning?
[18:17] L1Aura Loire is Offline
[18:17] Starin Abonwood: private and public in FB
[18:18] Knowclue Kidd: lol
[18:18] Knowclue Kidd: truer words!
[18:18] Knowclue Kidd: you guyz are my tribe
[18:19] Anny Khandr: Sooo incredible when that happens
[18:19] Starin Abonwood: It's great to be with people who get it and me
[18:19] Anny Khandr: To have virtual spaces that allow that is completely revolutionary
[18:19] ozgirl Zeplin: power vampires are lurking
[18:20] Risa Sharpshire: lol
[18:20] Hawc Decosta is Online
[18:20] Anny Khandr: where are the power vampires? cool!
[18:20] ozgirl Zeplin: the vampires that suck out your power and passion for teaching
[18:20] Starin Abonwood: true
[18:20] Grammy Somerset: energy vampires!
[18:20] Starin Abonwood: lol
[18:20] Anny Khandr: the system wants to do that too - suck the spirit out
[18:20] ozgirl Zeplin: not lurking here, out in the real world
[18:21] Anny Khandr: vampires as the opposite of tribe members
[18:21] ozgirl Zeplin: so true
[18:22] Anny Khandr: HOMEwork???!!!!!!!
[18:22] Bernajena Pinazzo: PLAY work
[18:22] Anny Khandr: All right!
[18:23] Starin Abonwood: totally!
[18:23] Bernajena Pinazzo: real name + second name
[18:23] Knowclue Kidd: 512 ish
[18:23] Rurik Bellingshausen is Offline
[18:23] Anny Khandr: What's PLE again? (sorry)
[18:23] Sholi Oh: E is environment
[18:24] Anny Khandr: tx, sholi
[18:24] Bernajena Pinazzo: ELGG
[18:24] Anny Khandr: Awesome!
[18:25] Anny Khandr: Sounds a little like Howard Rhinegold's set of tools
[18:25] Bernajena Pinazzo: flurp
[18:25] Grammy Somerset: Plurk
[18:25] Bernajena Pinazzo: plurk
[18:25] Bernajena Pinazzo: edmodo is another one - really sheltered
[18:26] Kim Anubis is Online
[18:26] Bernajena Pinazzo: these are called micro-blogging tools
[18:26] Knowclue Kidd: different than twitterdeck?
[18:26] Anny Khandr: so some school admins would be ok with edmodo, BJ?
[18:26] Knowclue Kidd: or tweetdeck?
[18:26] Anny Khandr: tweetdeck is a tool FOR twitter, right?
[18:26] Bernajena Pinazzo: yes anny - absolutely!!! really useful for asyndronous and syncronous
[18:26] Sholi Oh: Is not a client for twitter, a totally separate network
[18:26] Anny Khandr: Same as twitterific, which I use.
[18:26] Bernajena Pinazzo: yes - tweetdeck organizes twittering
[18:27] Knowclue Kidd: VHS or Beta? :-)
[18:27] Sholi Oh: lol
[18:27] Anny Khandr: edmodo is what you're talking about, Bernajena, right?
[18:28] Sholi Oh: good point will
[18:28] Knowclue Kidd: lol
[18:28] Jackie Rexen: Will wants to havehis say
[18:28] Knowclue Kidd: twitter or plurk
[18:28] Oronoque Westland is Offline
[18:28] Knowclue Kidd: two different companies
[18:28] Grammy Somerset: right
[18:28] Knowclue Kidd: which will prevail?
[18:28] Anny Khandr: Will's a little pushy!
[18:28] Anny Khandr: Twitter will prevail, probably.
[18:29] ozgirl Zeplin: he is lurking
[18:29] Grammy Somerset: someone is pushing Will
[18:29] Anny Khandr: But he's not a vampire
[18:29] Knowclue Kidd: technology darwinism
[18:29] Knowclue Kidd: based on public opinion
[18:29] Anny Khandr: hee hee
[18:29] Marty Snowpaw is Offline
[18:30] Jackie Rexen: It might be the SL gods
[18:30] Anny Khandr: Makes me tired just hearing that.
[18:32] Anny Khandr: Have to go, sweet peeps. Thank you, Bernajean, for your wonderful presentation!!!
[18:32] Sholi Oh: Bye Any
[18:32] Jackie Rexen: bye
[18:32] Anny Khandr: Bye!
[18:32] Jackie Rexen: any
[18:32] Knowclue Kidd: good night Annie
[18:33] Anny Khandr is Offline
[18:33] Bernajena Pinazzo: [e-mail]
[18:33] Jackie Rexen: http://edtechpost.wikispaces.com/PLE+Diagrams#tosh
[18:34] ozgirl Zeplin: yes
[18:34] Starin Abonwood: yes
[18:34] Grammy Somerset: yes
[18:34] Risa Sharpshire: yes
[18:34] ozgirl Zeplin: sure can
[18:34] Risa Sharpshire: k
[18:34] ozgirl Zeplin: they have been working extra extra hard
[18:34] Spiff Whitfield is Offline
[18:34] Grammy Somerset: that our willingnessto keep learning affects the kids scores
[18:35] Jackie Rexen: the need for mentoring/coaching for the tools=methods to be used via your graph
[18:35] Grammy Somerset: absolutely
[18:35] ozgirl Zeplin: purposeful is the big thing
[18:35] Sholi Oh: I want to look back at some of the research and see how it applies to training that I'm giving this fall:-)
[18:35] Bernajena Pinazzo: fine turning protocol
[18:35] ozgirl Zeplin: no
[18:35] Sholi Oh: no
[18:35] Kim Anubis is Online
[18:35] Risa Sharpshire: no
[18:35] Grammy Somerset: no
[18:36] Knowclue Kidd: How can we create 21C classrooms if we are not 21C learners ourselves?
[18:36] Knowclue Kidd: amen sista!
[18:36] Sholi Oh: Thank you Bern!
[18:36] ozgirl Zeplin: thanks
[18:36] Jackie Rexen: APPLAUSE!!!!
[18:36] Risa Sharpshire: thank you.....
[18:36] ozgirl Zeplin is Offline
[18:36] Knowclue Kidd: kk
[18:36] Jackie Rexen: Way fun
[18:37] Grammy Somerset: Thank you........ good night
[18:37] Sholi Oh is Offline
[18:37] Starin Abonwood: Thank you it was interesting, nice to see my fellow scps peeps
[18:37] Knowclue Kidd: night everyone
[18:37] Grammy Somerset: no problem!!
[18:38] Grammy Somerset: You are trying to bring me out of my shell :-)
[18:38] Starin Abonwood: they really work hard for us
[18:38] Risa Sharpshire is Offline
[18:38] Knowclue Kidd is Offline
[18:38] Starin Abonwood: she does
[18:39] Grammy Somerset: Thank you, have a good week
[18:39] Grammy Somerset is Offline
[18:39] Jackie Rexen is Offline
[18:39] Starin Abonwood: night